Cheating? Is it possible

I have read many rumors about people making programs to "see the cards before they are flopped". I know poker is a game dictated by luck, but I ran into a pretty fishy guy yesterday while testing a promotion on *. This guy played about 1/3 hands. Every hand he played he raised big all the way to the river. The thing is he never had good hands when he bet it was always j3 k9 36... something with big gaps and no pockets. Despite never having good hands or rarely hitting the cards he needed on the flop, he always hit by the time it got to the river and bet large amounts from the get go. I could see it being luck, but why would he fold then? Usually if someones just throwing in chips to see what is going to happen they at least have an ace or throw it in every time. Also, why did he continuously move from table to table? Im guessing superstition and a whole lot of luck but do these programs exist?

The reason why I made this post is because I lost today almost $50 dollar with real bad beats.
Hands you don't wanna play beat me at the river. So I am starting to get a little bit confused

[germanfalcon]

Hmm, evil edit the post already. Would be interesting about which site you talk.
I've seen a few programs that promise to reveal the hole cards and could "crack" the random card generator, but none of them could do it for real.
The only known issue are the superuser account from absolute. It was generated for testing purpose and a very early account from absolute, never meant to be used for real play.
$50 aren't that much to be cheated in that manner, so I think you played against a real fish. Mark him and get your money back.

[Dori113]

I am a firm believer cheating is possible. I am not crying foul or saying I have been a victim of it personally ~ but when money is involved as well as computers there is always a carrot dangling that entices folks to try and outsmart "the system" I would say there are many people spending many hours trying to figure out ways to scam folks out of money.

Online poker is booming, the cost to live regardless geographical location is insane ~ when folks get hungry they get desperate and it's always a feather in the cap for someone to go out and beat the system if they needed the cash or not. So I would imagine it's being done and we'll hear about it when its been detected if we are lucky and by the time we have heard about who was caught new cheat technology will have been implemented and hopefully detected.

[nb1961]

The way I understand poker software to work is that most poker room you play on use a client program that is downloaded onto your computer. Only the values of your cards and the community cards are sent to your client until the hand is complete or the cards are turned face up for an all in. This makes it impossible for any program on your computer to crack the value of anyone else's cards.

That's not to say some clever person can't get an virus type program into the poker rooms gaming server and that could work some sort of cheat. But if they did I think they would aim for a big payout quickly and then get out before they were found.

[bls12]

yes it would of been interesting to read the post before it was edited
was it about wasspoker lol
no dought they is a certain amount of cheating in online poker the most common is two friends on the same table sitting at opposite ends and raising then the other re-raising forcing other players to fold when there is a few quid in the pot doesn't always work but 8 out of ten i bet it does
so as for is there any cheating and poker cheats seeing the flop befor it comes never heard of that one but you never know anything is possable nowadays

i also think that you came across a BIG FISH xqlusive83 $50 is not and lot to loose i do it all the time

p.s poker rooms are monitored and any untoward activerty is noted and taken care off

nope you're just paranoid. bad beats and poor players are a part of poker

if someone could see the community and hole cards, don't you think they would be playing for big money? not for .05/.10 or whatever limits you're playing at

[jordanbillie]

Originally Posted by revin

nope you're just paranoid. bad beats and poor players are a part of poker

if someone could see the community and hole cards, don't you think they would be playing for big money? not for .05/.10 or whatever limits you're playing at

Cheating exists definately. Just stay away from the questionable players.

Everyone says, "Don't you think they would be playing higher limits?" Thats how you get caught, so my answer is, the smart cheaters don't play high limits.

the most easy way is to get 3 or more players together on the same table and go on msn or whatever and just let eachother know what hands they got.so they know about 10 cards that are already excluded,its pretty easy to predict if youre gonna get your card with a pocket pair when someone of your cheating buddies have the same card as you...i dont really see the solution-you cant really check if the players are from the same town,if theyre on msn together,...try to crack this one and let me know if you do

Originally Posted by jordanbillie

Cheating exists definately. Just stay away from the questionable players.

Everyone says, "Don't you think they would be playing higher limits?" Thats how you get caught, so my answer is, the smart cheaters don't play high limits.

i totally agree.if you go into the mind of a cheater you would probably figure out that he wants to juice you as long as he can-you dont wanna get caught in the first 2 days on the 2/4$ blinds becouse i think people are far more alert there...

Originally Posted by xqlusive83

I have read many rumors about people making programs to "see the cards before they are flopped". I know poker is a game dictated by luck, but I ran into a pretty fishy guy yesterday while testing a promotion on *. This guy played about 1/3 hands. Every hand he played he raised big all the way to the river. The thing is he never had good hands when he bet it was always j3 k9 36... something with big gaps and no pockets. Despite never having good hands or rarely hitting the cards he needed on the flop, he always hit by the time it got to the river and bet large amounts from the get go. I could see it being luck, but why would he fold then? Usually if someones just throwing in chips to see what is going to happen they at least have an ace or throw it in every time. Also, why did he continuously move from table to table? Im guessing superstition and a whole lot of luck but do these programs exist?

The reason why I made this post is because I lost today almost $50 dollar with real bad beats.
Hands you don't wanna play beat me at the river. So I am starting to get a little bit confused

i dont really believe that they can make a reliable program to crack the random dealing.but i do believe some people are just total shitheads that call 96 off suit if you raise or not.

[alan292]

i played a $10 sng last week during the day and once we were seated there were 2 players from croatia....they made no secret of this ans spoke in their native tongue....i reported them to live support and their chat privalages were revoked...support also checked for an possible colousion.....report them if you are at all suspicous...

I'm not defending anyone here and can't comment on cheating, but I have seen and have had the experience of running real hot at a table. In this case (myself included) there are times when someone wins a large percentage of the time. It's like they cannot lose despite the cards. This could be the case. Mark the person and see if the same happens on a different day..different table.