AA vs KK

Reminds me of a story I read a little while ago; the story is extremely similar to what happened last night.
The story was titled, "Do/Have you ever laid down AA, Preflop," and it was focusing on a proplayer (cant remember which one--wanna say Gordon though) who was weated in the '02 WSOP. It was deep in the tourny with only 1 or 2 eliminations needed before the day was wrapped and all remaining would be in the money. He was dealt AA, early position, came out for a raise, was called by one guy, then reraised by the table chipleader on the button. He recognized the button was on a move probably, and the caller may have had a AK or high PP, but the situation right then and there possed to much risk to his tourny life and making the money. Any other time he would have went over the top, allin, and walked the line with those hands at the table (cause you can be certain you have the best hand--this is more than half of any pokerplayers decision: Do I have best hand? and with AA, absolutely you do!). However because of the timing (1 or 2 heads till the money), and ultimetely that 1 hand as bad as he wanted to make the over the top play just possed too much risk of being sucked out on and missing the money. Now that was for WSOP type money, and last night was a 50 buck freeroll---all-in-all though I have to agree with the pro here, which is "Never, ever lay down AA preflop---hands can't get any better at that point then and there. I'm sure we all could work on our ability to fold those big hands when flops like KK5 or 789 come out; but there is nothing like looking down and seeing dem rockets starin' back at you preflop!

~C

Did he make the money then? ... otherwise it must have been tough. Anyone know?

hmmm.. very difficult situation.. i will never ever fold AA !!!... 1 on 1 you are always over 80% chances to win.. it's the same you're VS KK or 22 (i red somewhere that 22 have more chances to win than KK... and one interesting think i red is that J10 is the best existing hand VS AA.. any1 knows why?!)

onetime i was played 4000$ tourney on titan...my account was really low.. there was about 200 of us.. top 20 or 25 places paid... i was in top 5-6 with about 20000 of chips (2-3 for to eliminate for the money...) ... dealt KK... raised, was raised by the chip leader... i had to go ALL-IN... i lose VS AQ (A on flop...).. somebody took the prize for me!

you never want to battle the chip leader, especially that close to the money...layem down and get ready for the show to really begin once the field hits the money!

i am undetermined and thinking about what i would have done. he was close to the "payoffs" and got pocketrockets. there are some missing infos if you got em i cant say "i would fold" "i would raise" without that.

1. was he low on chips ???

2. how much did the chipleader raised ??, forced allin ???

if i am low on chips and the blinds will force me allin with the next blind or the dealer button is to close to me, i would go allin, this cards will are maybe my last chance to make a comeback.

fighting the chipleader ifi got the cards to do ?? yes, i would call if this call will not ruin my chipstack.

folding preflop pocketrockets isnt my thing, but i wouldnt push it to the limit if i dont hit the flop.

what do you mean by hitting a flop with AA? i would rather move all in than calling a raise... AA is winning hand for itself.. the chance hitting the 3rd ace by the river is 20%.. he is maybe holding KK or 22 (he has also 20% chances of hitting the 3rd).. but he can also holding AQ or AK (in that case,his chances are theory)... calling a raise flop can be9 9 K,and he can move allin then, and you are afraid of he is holding a 9 ..

if i'm raised or re-raised.. i will always move ALL-in on preflop, at any price.. (hey, you have the best starting hand in poker... you are great favourite always...)

What ifi its not heads up...u raise heavy with the AA, u get a caller, then the button comes over the top with a good reraise...If u go allin and both players call I believe your odds may been decreased from what you have stated. Also my original post was referring to a time (and only time I believe he said) in which that particular pro had ever folded AA preflop. He didnt have a huge chip stack, and was extremely close to cashing at a WSOP event.

Of course AA is the best hand preflop, but if you have paid $10k to enter the torny, are on ur 3rd day; 2 or 3 left till u actually get ur buyin back please ~100 (+30k I'll guesstuioom
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Enjoyed the thread, thanks for the info

it's true.. i've never been in this kind of situation - so close for the prize like that.. i don't know.. if i have a chips to do a sitout thing, wait one-two other with much longer stack than me, maybe (maaaybe...) i will fold that... i always go for the 1st place (never been 1st in multi table tourneys.. but i'm young ) ... but there are hands you must play... (i would fold AKs for sure, QQ, JJ or lower hands... loooong thinking of KK ...) ..but if we are middle stacked, (with sitout going into the money for sure),even we are second on the table with chips - we all have big respect for thechip leader, coz with your good hand you must go to the end.. and that can be your last hand, and you are letting some losers too take your deserved prize!

in that situations i will alwayscall hands i described above with the guy who is lower stacked than me, because i know i have the good hand, beating him i will be one place higher placed, and if i lose, i still have chips to play.. but VS chip leader, this is the big big question, in this situations..

happened a few times to me i risked all and lost i mean, are you willing to risk all your chips if there are only 2-3 people to go ??? the chipleader will be still fine if he loose, but you are out then, even if you start with the big favorite hand

i lost with this cards to many times before the payouts that i usually dont raise allin.