Check This Donk Out

[ditto]

Gotta love this game we all play sitting here now not as frustrated as before.I still cant figure out why i like to challenge the donks.I do it everytime.Even after almost 4.5 years playing online.Most times in the big moments on the final table like this one from a hour ago



Note: Even though i'm not a big stacks player/and don't risk alot during my choice of games,these beats still really upset me,at the time of them happening.

I always seem to just say screw poker but yet im playing in the next game a few hours later(if baby allows )But damn i'm getting tired though of playing good poker and sometimes being so confident that im the best player at the table(my psychological strategy )only to be donked out by careless players who suck?Help me cope i'm having a panic attack...

[stepgen]

You should never have called his all in raise with KJ suited. Would have avoided your frustration. Was a poor call on your behalf and even though it turned out you were ahead, you got punished for your initial mistake. Might seem harsh reading of it but why risk a managable stack on the final table with a dubious hand to call an all in with, wen you can find a better situation to get your chips in.
If the all in happened on the flop it is a standard situation these days as it seems the aggressive push with a flush draw (even a not so good one) is the way to go looking at the pros play on telly.
Like you, one mistake usually mess me up in a good position. Mine is usually calling an all in with AJ or AQ knowing it is a mistake (gut feeling) and 9/10 running into AQ or AK

[Wakou222]

Can't see your beef here Ditto. Villain has 5.5 M and a good shoving hand in the cut-off +1. You call with a dog hand! You only have 62% 38% against ATC; against a wide range (55+, A2s+, K5s+, Q8s+,J8s+,T8s+,98s,A7o+,K9o+,Q9o+,JTo), you have 50%. Against a standard range (88+,ATs+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo)
you are 38% dog, and a medium-tight range (88+,ATs+,KQs,AKo)? 34% dog. AND the BB still to act! How many chips has the BB btw?

Why call? Never heard of "Gap"? Only one donk at the table from the evidence here. Positions reversed, if you were first to act, nothing wrong with a shove with KJss, as you have only 5M or so, but a call? WHY?

[ditto]

Thanks for the opinions i think.But i still think it was the right play by me at the time,if i had won and doubled up,i would have been chip leader and most likely would have went on to win this game,but hmmm yes it was my mistake i guess calling him when i indeed knew he had a garbage preflop hand lol.

This guy pushed all in with 27 offsuit and showed the table just two hands earlier,and laughed(a frustration call by me? yea probably).But that's WHY i called him with my junky KJ.

I'm normally very aggressive on the Final Table.Guess that makes me the donk here.Fair enough i guess lol.But i don't agree.Would this situation of been any better for me even if i had AK or QQ KK or AA.I think not.

[stepgen]

Originally Posted by ditto

Thanks for the opinions i think.But i still think it was the right play by me at the time,if i had won and doubled up,i would have been chip leader and most likely would have went on to win this game,but hmmm yes it was my mistake i guess calling him when i indeed knew he had a garbage preflop hand lol.

This guy pushed all in with 27 offsuit and showed the table just two hands earlier,and laughed(a frustration call by me? yea probably).But that's WHY i called him with my junky KJ.

I'm normally very aggressive on the Final Table.Guess that makes me the donk here.Fair enough i guess lol.But i don't agree.Would this situation of been any better for me even if i had AK or QQ KK or AA.I think not.

Yes,it would. You would have made the correct decision and got unlucky, Here you made the wrong decision and got unlucky. I am not calling you a donk. To me poker is about making the correct decision all the time, and poker tends to punish us for poor decisions most of the time, even in some of the strangest of ways

[spiersey]

You need to look at the comments and take onboard what they are trying to say.

If he had pushed with AA and you had lost would you have then seen that you made the wrong decision.

Sometimes it is best to start playing ABC poker even once you have reached the final table, you will still suffer the bad beats but at least it should be less often and you will be making the right decisions.

[dan]

Originally Posted by ditto

Thanks for the opinions i think.But i still think it was the right play by me at the time,if i had won and doubled up,i would have been chip leader and most likely would have went on to win this game,but hmmm yes it was my mistake i guess calling him when i indeed knew he had a garbage preflop hand lol.

This guy pushed all in with 27 offsuit and showed the table just two hands earlier,and laughed(a frustration call by me? yea probably).But that's WHY i called him with my junky KJ.

I'm normally very aggressive on the Final Table.Guess that makes me the donk here.Fair enough i guess lol.But i don't agree.Would this situation of been any better for me even if i had AK or QQ KK or AA.I think not.

kj suited def not an all in hand but then 89 suited is also not all in pre flop 89 just got lucky but 2 live cards against 2 live cards anything can happen. I usually play tighter in tournament play unless im on tilt or lose concentration late. I know a joeshodown on spadeclub poker looks like him. Really ak is not a shove hand but people would bet the house on it or call with it.

[stepgen]

Originally Posted by dan

kj suited def not an all in hand but then 89 suited is also not all in pre flop 89 just got lucky but 2 live cards against 2 live cards anything can happen. I usually play tighter in tournament play unless im on tilt or lose concentration late. I know a joeshodown on spadeclub poker looks like him. Really ak is not a shove hand but people would bet the house on it or call with it.

Any two cards are shovable i certain circumstances to steal blinds but to cal a all in the range srinks.

[Wakou222]

Originally Posted by dan

kj suited def not an all in hand but then 89 suited is also not all in pre flop 89 just got lucky but 2 live cards against 2 live cards anything can happen. I usually play tighter in tournament play unless im on tilt or lose concentration late. I know a joeshodown on spadeclub poker looks like him. Really ak is not a shove hand but people would bet the house on it or call with it.

Hold on there bro'!
KJs first to act late pos, less than 5M in the bank, is a perfectly fine shoving hand. 89 suited equally or more so. AK can be a shove or call to a shove depending on table, chips, position, image etc etc. AK in say the BB with villain well covered is IMHO a mandatory call. My reply to Dean was to advise him that CALLING a shove with KJ is usually not a good idea. I think the 89 shove here is perfectly fine, considering matey's chip stack, and the blinds.. We don't have all the info here, BB's stack, structure, next level due etc. The great thing about 89 and hands like it is that IF CALLED you are 90% sure you will have live cards (Is anyone except a donk calling with A8 A9?) and, if called by AA KK QQ or JJ you still have straight, flush, two pair, full house chances.

[dan]

Originally Posted by Wakou222

Hold on there bro'!
KJs first to act late pos, less than 5M in the bank, is a perfectly fine shoving hand. 89 suited equally or more so. AK can be a shove or call to a shove depending on table, chips, position, image etc etc. AK in say the BB with villain well covered is IMHO a mandatory call. My reply to Dean was to advise him that CALLING a shove with KJ is usually not a good idea. I think the 89 shove here is perfectly fine, considering matey's chip stack, and the blinds.. We don't have all the info here, BB's stack, structure, next level due etc. The great thing about 89 and hands like it is that IF CALLED you are 90% sure you will have live cards (Is anyone except a donk calling with A8 A9?) and, if called by AA KK QQ or JJ you still have straight, flush, two pair, full house chances.

i saw 4k all in with kjsuited i wouldnt go all in with kj spade suited for my tournament life. Just trying to make ditto feel better by saying that 89 suited not an all in hand either didn't read joe showdowns chip stack. Obv if he had 5 mill ok to call 4k or so shove at those pot odds. Binds were at 300 600 wow five mill in bank at that point?