thoughts please

[ramster44]

Everleaf Gaming Game #56338190
***** Hand history for game #56338190 *****
Blinds 50/100 NL Hold'em - 2008/09/11 - 2219
Table 2
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players: 8
Seat 1: XshortyX ( 3405 )
Seat 2: Bingo_Lady ( 1010 )
Seat 3: HUGO ( 1455 )
Seat 4: kage27 ( 890 )
Seat 5: oma49 ( 7475 )
Seat 7: droppndeuces ( 1285 )
Seat 9: pt40 ( 2245 )
Seat 10: Ramster ( 2745 )
HUGO: posts small blind [$ 50]
kage27: posts big blind [$ 100]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Ramster [ ad, as ]
oma49 calls [$ 100]
droppndeuces folds
pt40 folds
Ramster raises [$ 450]
XshortyX folds
Bingo_Lady folds
HUGO folds
kage27 folds
oma49 calls [$ 350]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, qd, tc ]
oma49 checks
Ramster: bets [$ 1050]
oma49 calls [$ 1050]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
oma49 checks
Ramster: bets [$ 1245]
oma49 calls [$ 1245]
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
oma49 wins 5640 chips from main pot with a flush, ace high [ ac, tc, 6c, 5c, 3c ]

[alan292]

cant say i would have played this any differently to yourself m8...looks like your caller was intent in calling whatever you bet with his "big" stack and got lucky....probably how he amassed the darn chips in the 1st place

[hoy4982]

i agree with alan, looks like this guy was planning on calling no matter how much you bet, probably would of still called if you had of went allin after flop, unfortunately some players are nothink but idiots and some how seem to get rewarded

hoy4982

[andybee]

it a hard one to answer ..... you show a hand ..... but not what built up to that hand ...... was this guy a loose cannon and a calling station or a table bully ...... had you wound him up
if the above is true then i think your first mistake was too small a reraise ....... true your opening bet was 4.5 bb but he had already posted 100 so it was only 3.5 to him
next comes the flop [ 6c, qd, tc ] ...... now stop looking at it from your AA point of view and look at it from his ....... he thinks it not a bad flop for him hes got a nut flush draw with 2 cards to come .....and an ace as an over card to a queen....
i think your next call should have been an all in ........ but no you raise just the pot .... was that calculated on your part or was there a pot button ........ i addmit if you had gone all in at this point i think it would be 50 50 that he call ..... could be down to your table immage
well you raised 1050 post flop .....now look again from his point .... there is now 2100 in the pot and hes being asked to but 1050 in for this ...... hes safe in the knowledge that you cant put him out as you only have 1400 chips left ..... look at how he sees it ....
hes got to put you on a basket of hands .....

AA 64% v 36%
AQ 63% v 37%
KQ 55% v 45%
QJ 55% v 45%
Q10 67% v 33%
JK 30% v 70%
JJ 53% v 44%
a club flush draw,,,, 21% v 79%

most of them your ahead but not by that much .... and some hes well ahead

so i dont think he was an idiot to call.... yes he got lucky but i think you let him in .... its sad when aa gets beat but its just a starting hand not a winning ticket

just my thoughts

andy

[ramster44]

Originally Posted by andybee

it a hard one to answer ..... you show a hand ..... but not what built up to that hand ...... was this guy a loose cannon and a calling station or a table bully ...... had you wound him up
if the above is true then i think your first mistake was too small a reraise ....... true your opening bet was 4.5 bb but he had already posted 100 so it was only 3.5 to him
next comes the flop [ 6c, qd, tc ] ...... now stop looking at it from your AA point of view and look at it from his ....... he thinks it not a bad flop for him hes got a nut flush draw with 2 cards to come .....and an ace as an over card to a queen....
i think your next call should have been an all in ........ but no you raise just the pot .... was that calculated on your part or was there a pot button ........ i addmit if you had gone all in at this point i think it would be 50 50 that he call ..... could be down to your table immage
well you raised 1050 post flop .....now look again from his point .... there is now 2100 in the pot and hes being asked to but 1050 in for this ...... hes safe in the knowledge that you cant put him out as you only have 1400 chips left ..... look at how he sees it ....
hes got to put you on a basket of hands .....

AA 64% v 36%
AQ 63% v 37%
KQ 55% v 45%
QJ 55% v 45%
Q10 67% v 33%
JK 30% v 70%
JJ 53% v 44%
a club flush draw,,,, 21% v 79%

most of them your ahead but not by that much .... and some hes well ahead

so i dont think he was an idiot to call.... yes he got lucky but i think you let him in .... its sad when aa gets beat but its just a starting hand not a winning ticket

just my thoughts

andy

In an earlier hand he had called to the river with a draw against my overpair and in other hands against other players he was calling a lot and only betting/raising when he had hit
We were down to about the last 15 in this tourney with top 5 getting paid
With it being such a draw heavy flop i figured if he was calling with a draw i could get away from it if the scare card came on the turn
On reflection
Maybe all in on the flop woulda been the better play but from his previous play (i want him to pay to chase) and his stack i dont think he would've folded and with him calling rather than coming over the top i knew i was in front
I think i just didnt have enough behind me to take him off the turn.
from his point of view after the turn hes looking at 12 outs at best and 4 of them could be dead so it was imo a marginal call on his part which got lucky

[bakoyCD]

I would've raised more pre-flop/gone all-in on the flop, but of course, it's easy to say after i've seen the hand

[schuldiner]

I would have gone all in preflop or on the flop, but as bakoy said, it's easy to say now that we know the hand lol

[spoggy]

Sometimes that doesn't work either. Below tourney of 200 starting players, down to 11 left ( yes .. 1 off final table ! ).

Seat 1: bluesbrothers88 ($35,792.50 in chips)
Seat 3: woistmeinnick ($40,345.00 in chips)
Seat 5: Crawler99 ($9,350.00 in chips)
Seat 6: mimo20hb ($42,362.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Spogg ($38,665.00 in chips)
Spogg: Post SB $1,200.00
bluesbrothers88: Post BB $2,400.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Spogg [As Ad]
woistmeinnick: Raise (NF) $7,200.00
Crawler99: Fold
mimo20hb: Fold
Spogg: Raise (NF) $38,665.00
bluesbrothers88: Fold
woistmeinnick: Call $31,465.00
*** FLOP *** [Qh Jd 2h]
*** TURN *** [4h]
*** RIVER *** [8h]
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $79,730.00 Rake $0.00
woistmeinnick: Shows [Qc Ah]
woistmeinnick: wins $79,730.00

Sometimes players are gonna call no matter what and you get unlucky, it's blooming hard to take though.