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Old 10-20-2008, 10:09 PM
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I was in an online freeroll tourney, had a big stack, was dealt AKu full table. i raised 3x bb preflop in mid position. 2 guys called, they had big stacks also. Flop: 377, of which 2 diamonds. i bet half the pot. I guy folded, one guy quickly called. Turn: 8 of diamonds. I went AI to bluff a flush, he called, showed 44 , river was a Q or so, and i was out.
Normally i don't play overcards like this, although the little times i played them, i beat the other guy(s) with Ace hi+higher kicker. This time i played like this to stay active, as i usually play fairly tight, and to vary my play a bit.
Normally i would never call a pfr with 44 either.

How do you play AK/AQ/AJ/KQ after you raised preflop, and the flop comes with 3 rags?
How would you play with 44 after that flop?
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Old 10-21-2008, 12:16 PM
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If you see your bluff has failed It's because probably one of them has something better, so forget the hand.

It's not a good idea to bluff against more than one player normally, and less to keep doing it when you know you have nothing and they could have something.

In your case after his call on the flop I would try to check on the turn and the river, and fold if he would raised.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:49 PM
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Ok, thanks, ill see how it goes
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With your line you never never represent a flush!

Think about it yourself.
Would you lead out OOP with a half pot raise? Betting on a draw? What would you do with a player reraising?

Would you lead out if you have hit a Seven or a Three? Cards like A7 or K7, Q7, etc. normally wouldnt raised PreFlop.

Just saw its a Freeroll! Forget all about Hand reading, Hand Ranges, etc.

In a Freeroll only bet with good cards. Never try to bluff others out off the pot. Just my 2 pence.
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Also, seeing as he called your large bet on the flop, he vey likely has something better than AK high, a pair, or a monster draw. Either way, after the call on the flop, you're beat, and should try to see the next cards as cheapest as possible, or fold.
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Old 11-05-2008, 02:37 PM
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What you just wrote was an example of a Bad beat wasn't it..
How would you play it all depends.
If you act first , you make a bet.
Normally your opponent is gonna check , cause you have been the aggressor.
Again , you make a bet.
If he raises , think of the situation and act wisely , re-raise if you have to but dont get pot - committed
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I was in an online freeroll tourney, had a big stack, was dealt AKu full table. i raised 3x bb preflop in mid position. 2 guys called, they had big stacks also. Flop: 377, of which 2 diamonds. i bet half the pot. I guy folded, one guy quickly called. Turn: 8 of diamonds. I went AI to bluff a flush, he called, showed 44 , river was a Q or so, and i was out.
Normally i don't play overcards like this, although the little times i played them, i beat the other guy(s) with Ace hi+higher kicker. This time i played like this to stay active, as i usually play fairly tight, and to vary my play a bit.
Normally i would never call a pfr with 44 either.

How do you play AK/AQ/AJ/KQ after you raised preflop, and the flop comes with 3 rags?
How would you play with 44 after that flop?
Like many mention it isnt that kind of a betting line you normally would do for a flush.
To do an Continuetion bet is like standard move on missed flop. Now one question is, u say u bet half the pot on flop. how did the stack sizes look like? beacuse if it was nearly even i take a snap call from one opponent as a big warning and would slow down at turn.

Now with 3xBB its standard to call with 44 and if you get a low paired board 44 is very often gonna be ahead. So if u get 2 calls preflop when u raised 3xbb u can put ur opponents on hands like 22-1010 and maybe A10 or suited connectiors. depending on the reads u have on them/what playstyle they play with etc.

How i would play overcards is CB almost everytime but that depends much on what kind of players u are against, if u feel someone is capable of playing 44 and be good enough to call on low paired i probly would check-fold on flop/turn.

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Very nice comment / read, it's very helpful! =)
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Another factor that may affect what to do with overs on that kind of raggedy flop is the extent to which you feel the other players have a table image of you. Although in a freeroll, they may well not have any image.
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it's against accepted practice but how about min raise especially after callers.
this way you build the pot a little without risking too much and also show you have a hand of some value.

position is important ,of course.if nothing on the flop only raise 1x pot if everyone checks.
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