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Small ball poker - Daniel Negrenau's strategy
Small-Ball Poker Tournament Strategy – How Can Small-Ball Benefit You?
Discusses The Advantages Of Pot Control In Poker Tournaments
A Small-Ball Poker Tournament Strategy
Small Ball Poker describes a playing style that emphasizes managing the size of the pot to accumulate chips without the risk of going broke. Many players employ this style in their poker tournament strategy, Daniel Negeanu being one of the best known.
The small-ball poker tournament strategy has many advantages. These include the ability to gain information over several betting rounds in order to put your opponent on a hand. Secondly, by not risking big all-in confrontations players can reduce the chance of going out of a poker tournament due to a bad-beat or mis-read of an opponents holding.
Keeping pots small in poker begins on the pre-flop betting round. This is due to the fact that on the flop, turn and river bet sizes are usually a proportion of the pot. Let us look at and example that assumes deep stacks, here the big blind is 100 chips and we track the pot size with 2 players where all bets are called (ignoring the blinds for simplicity):
(pre-flop)250-(post-flop)1000-(turn)2000-(river)4000
As you can see, increasing the pre-flop bet by just 150 chips leads to a pot size jump of 2400 by the river. Keeping the raise small pre-flop has risked less chips, those times you find yourself behind in the hand you will still have a enough chips to make a comeback!
Pot control in small ball poker often necessitates checking at some point in the hand. This is most important when you are in a ‘Way Ahead / Way Behind’ situation. An example would be holding a pocket pair when an ace flops. Here you are either favorite in the hand (your opponent holds a lower pair) or drawing to just 2 outs for trips (when your opponent holds an ace).
If you continuation bet on the flop and are called a small-ball approach would be to check behind from position on the turn. You have actually achieved two objectives. Firstly keeping the pot small to lower your risk when behind. Secondly you may induce a river bluff from an opponent with hands you can beat. If you had bet out you could easily have faced a re-raise you did not want to call. The small-ball approach has kept your risk low and given you an opportunity to win more chips when you are ahead.
Small-ball poker strategy enables you to narrow down your opponent’s holding over several streets of betting. For example you can assess their possible hand in relation to the flop based on their reaction to your bets, then reassess from their actions on the turn. A bigger bet on any street which is met with a re-raise not only covers a big proportion of your chips – it may lead to you having to call without too much information on your opponents real holding. Is it a bluff? Does he hold a monster? Small-ball allows you to answer these questions before you go broke!
Finally, small ball poker tournament strategy can keep you in the game longer. Compare playing many small pots to taking 3 big all-in situations. Even if you go all-in while dominating your opponent (for example A-K vs A-J) you need a lucky parlay of wins to still be in the game after just 3 attempts. Small ball poker allows you to accumulate chips while minimizing the risk of busting out of the tournament.
It's a great strategy and I'll try it out. I'm going to inform you after it.
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I like such articles, but I dont think its your own article, so please give credit to the original author and name the source where you have it from. Also copyrights should be considered.
Dont know what this means: This was in the Reply in "Trackback", seems this is the original source.
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Sry - I thought I added the link to Track back:
Small-Ball Poker Tournament Strategy | How Can Small-Ball Benefit You?
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I tried this "system" and it seems to be good - it's result is a 2nd place at FullTilt Poker out of 90 players. Altough it was a play money SnG I really enjoyed it.
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Reason: FullTilt Poker SnG 90 player - 2nd
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You may want to keep in mind that although small ball is a viable strategy that a fair number of successful pros use, it's better suited to the deep stack tournaments they play. With smaller stacks, such as online, there's less margin for losing a few small pots since doing so means a larger proportion of your stack.
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You're absolutely right. Very hard to apply small ball strategy at Merge sites - but at bigger tournaments it's still good.
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You're absolutely right. Very hard to apply small ball strategy at Merge sites - but at bigger tournaments it's still good.
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I think it depends on more than just that. For instance, it's more suited to live play, which, while it's a generalization, tends to be less aggressive, which means people won't come over the top of you as often. That may help explain why you don't see all that much small ball from top online players.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JuniorMontana01
Small-Ball Poker Tournament Strategy – How Can Small-Ball Benefit You?
Discusses The Advantages Of Pot Control In Poker Tournaments
A Small-Ball Poker Tournament Strategy
Small Ball Poker describes a playing style that emphasizes managing the size of the pot to accumulate chips without the risk of going broke. Many players employ this style in their poker tournament strategy, Daniel Negeanu being one of the best known.
The small-ball poker tournament strategy has many advantages. These include the ability to gain information over several betting rounds in order to put your opponent on a hand. Secondly, by not risking big all-in confrontations players can reduce the chance of going out of a poker tournament due to a bad-beat or mis-read of an opponents holding.
Keeping pots small in poker begins on the pre-flop betting round. This is due to the fact that on the flop, turn and river bet sizes are usually a proportion of the pot. Let us look at and example that assumes deep stacks, here the big blind is 100 chips and we track the pot size with 2 players where all bets are called (ignoring the blinds for simplicity):
(pre-flop)250-(post-flop)1000-(turn)2000-(river)4000
As you can see, increasing the pre-flop bet by just 150 chips leads to a pot size jump of 2400 by the river. Keeping the raise small pre-flop has risked less chips, those times you find yourself behind in the hand you will still have a enough chips to make a comeback!
Pot control in small ball poker often necessitates checking at some point in the hand. This is most important when you are in a ‘Way Ahead / Way Behind’ situation. An example would be holding a pocket pair when an ace flops. Here you are either favorite in the hand (your opponent holds a lower pair) or drawing to just 2 outs for trips (when your opponent holds an ace).
If you continuation bet on the flop and are called a small-ball approach would be to check behind from position on the turn. You have actually achieved two objectives. Firstly keeping the pot small to lower your risk when behind. Secondly you may induce a river bluff from an opponent with hands you can beat. If you had bet out you could easily have faced a re-raise you did not want to call. The small-ball approach has kept your risk low and given you an opportunity to win more chips when you are ahead.
Small-ball poker strategy enables you to narrow down your opponent’s holding over several streets of betting. For example you can assess their possible hand in relation to the flop based on their reaction to your bets, then reassess from their actions on the turn. A bigger bet on any street which is met with a re-raise not only covers a big proportion of your chips – it may lead to you having to call without too much information on your opponents real holding. Is it a bluff? Does he hold a monster? Small-ball allows you to answer these questions before you go broke!
Finally, small ball poker tournament strategy can keep you in the game longer. Compare playing many small pots to taking 3 big all-in situations. Even if you go all-in while dominating your opponent (for example A-K vs A-J) you need a lucky parlay of wins to still be in the game after just 3 attempts. Small ball poker allows you to accumulate chips while minimizing the risk of busting out of the tournament.
It's a great strategy and I'll try it out. I'm going to inform you after it.
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A thing i didnt understand is , check behind the turn. What does that mean? and yeah the strategy makes sense but the way its potrayed , like the check on the turn and river bluff is all circumstantial dont you think so? Ok since you've tried te strategy , post on how its worked for u . That wud be gr8. thanx
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A thing i didnt understand is , check behind the turn. What does that mean? and yeah the strategy makes sense but the way its potrayed , like the check on the turn and river bluff is all circumstantial dont you think so? Ok since you've tried te strategy , post on how its worked for u . That wud be gr8. thanx
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I recently played a satellite tournament to the Weekly $25,000 Guaranteed. It was a rebuy satellite so the players rebought chips when they lost their chips. After the first break lot of chips accumulated and the game became deep stack. I did the things above (controlled the pot, etc.) and won the satellite.
You shouldn't check the turn to induce a river bluff if your opponent isn't agressive enough. (or if you want to keep the pot smaller, you should check)
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Would small ball be described as "small bets and small bluffs" instead of pot bets and all-ins? WIth alot of floating in position, looking to win the hand on any weakness and playing alot of hands.
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