WHAT IS YOUR DECISION

didnt see this hand, i read about it on the internet, and i was very surprised at what some highly respected players had to say on the matter. The hand went as follows;

Blinds 75-150. folds to middle position, guy with 5000 in chips calls. cut off calls, SB folds, BB makes it 400. MP calls, cut off folds.

Flop comes A48 rainbow. the BB fires out 600 and gets a call. Turn comes K.

BB then fires out 1600 into a pot of 2375. so not really a huge bet.

MP then goes into a tank for a few minutes, and says, i love my hand but i think u got it, if i fold will you show me?, The guy in BB says yea sure.

So the guy then folds his hand face up and he has 44, for bottom set. Other guy says nice fold and shows him 88.

My initial reaction was awesome fold. But some top top players are saying this is a terrible play because there is no way he knew he had a set, so he was just a tight weak player that got lucky from a hunch. I know that in the long run this is always going to be a losing play, because for 44 that is a perfect flop, but i just that when in a hand i dont want to be thinking about whats the winning player over a certain period of time, i want to be thinking whats the winning play on this particular hand only. Saying that though, even though im fairly certain it was the right play regardless of what they say, i dont think i could fold myself, just not good enough.

Wondering what you guys thought or if you had ever seen anything like this before?

I think this intuition... Some times I arrived in the same way and in 80 percent acted right, as the opponent having biggest stack than at me possessed also stronger combination.

[el_paon]

I also think this was a good fold, the MP reacted to the bet of BB presuming he has a better hand. Maybe the BB was too tight before this hand so his raise was the signal of a really good hand. Having trips of 4 or any trips is sometimes useless. I fold even on better situations depending on analysis of my opponents play. some guys won't bet that way unless they have a real strong hand.

[stepgen]

I can see why they are saying it was a bad fold. It looks more likely that he has a big ace and has hit top pair. AK- A9 are all in the equaton as well as the lesser likely AA or 88 or even KK or QQ. Turn does not change much and even makes things better as AK is very much in the mix. To me the correct move on the turn is to move all in rather than fold as more times than not the set over set will not occur and he will be losing money/chips over the long term. To me the only way he could fold his hand is if he is playing live and has some great tell on the other person.
Yes in that game his fold saved him and it could be considered a great fold at the time but in the long term he will never get to far folding a set with out geting enough information. He he considered folding on the turn he should have either raiseed on the flop or fold then

[arjonius]

I pretty much agree with Stepgen. Actually, I think that an unknown opponent may well have an even wider range than stated. Like 99, TT and JJ. On an A84 flop, if you're going to lead out with KK or QQ, it seems like you should also do so with lower pairs that are also seeing one overcard.

After the pre flop raise and the continuation bet on the flop, I 'd think he has Ax.. If you get the set you usually check and then raise, so it was a good bet by 88 hoping for a A in the other player's hand.

But I think it's quite hard (and wrong, even if it was the right decision here) to fold the set of 4 on a rainbow flop, with no straight or flush draws possible. There were just 3 starting hands that could beat him: AA,KK,88, 3 out of 169!! If you call with 44 preflop, hit the set, and then fold, then what did you get into the pot for?!?

[novi]

Do we need this copy and pasted article posted more then once?

http://www.wassonline.com/poker-foru...-can-find.html

[scotlady]

Gawd I'm gonna be so popular lol Ty Jo