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Old 07-11-2008, 07:19 AM
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I was playing at a varily aggreesive (although that's pretty normal) .02/.04 table at Cake Poker. I am a new player trying to build a bankroll; I hit a freerole for $4 and am up to about $25 now.

Anyway, I am playing 6 handed a picked up KK in third position. I limped (I know, some of you hate me allready). Here is what happened:

Dealer: Dealing hole cards
Dealer: MRME4 calls
Dealer: The Fear folds
Dealer: faza24 folds
Dealer: farkelsr calls
Dealer: zeroxis checks
Dealer: Dealing flop: [ 4s, 9d, 8h ]
Dealer: farkelsr bets $0.12
Dealer: zeroxis folds
Dealer: MRME4 raises to $0.24
Dealer: farkelsr calls
Dealer: Dealing turn: [ 5c ]
Dealer: farkelsr checks
Dealer: MRME4 bets $0.60
Dealer: farkelsr calls
Dealer: Dealing river: [ Tc ]
Dealer: farkelsr checks
Dealer: MRME4 checks
Dealer: MRME4 shows [ Kh, Kc ] Pair of Kings
Dealer: farkelsr mucks
Dealer: MRME4 wins $1.75 with Pair of Kings

My thinking by not betting on the river was:

His bet on the flop was a semi bluff straight/pair runner runner straight draw. He called to try and hit it. His check smooth call on the turn also screamed draw to me. Less likely, trips trapping my aggression. So, the river come with a 10. Before he acts, I am ready to lay down if he bets more than 1/2 pot; i would give him credit for the str8. Anyway, when he doesn't bet I am puzzled. What hand could he have that would let him call pot cold (about 1/3 of his chips at that point) and not have me beat? I come up with no good possibilities, check, and, to my surprise, take down a $1.75.

Please let me know your thoughts on how to maximize this chance a little better next time. More than that, please help me undertsand his actions. I am still puzzled as to what he had (in hindsight my best guess is that he was a poor player who hit top (mid?) pair with mid-high kicker, maybe 10-9/J-9).

Thanks in advance!

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Old 07-11-2008, 07:25 AM
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Upon further inspection, I am not sure this is the correct place for this thread. Please advise on this issue as well; feel free to tell me/move it if needed. Thanks again!

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Old 07-11-2008, 02:53 PM
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He bet after the flop but then he just called on the turn and river, so I think he prbably didn't have any point yet..He was just trying to steal it at first and then to hit something (I think the 10J guess is the right one, he flopped the straight draw and went for it..)
At first I thought he might just have had a middle pp or even JJ or QQ or he may have hitten the top pair on flop but I think he'd have reraised you all in and he'd have bet on the river
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:29 PM
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Dont put many thoughts on strategy on .02/.04. Its been awhile when i played there, but the players play everything there. Just play straight forward ABC Poker and dont try to bluff or make moves.

Because you didnt raise the hand preflop you are against the two blinds and they could have any two cards.

Most likely holdings here are T7 or TJ. But on this level you could be against mostly everything.

Your betting sizes are strange. He opens with a pot size raise and you again bets pot. On the turn again a pot size raise.

I would bet less on the turn and would make a value/bluff bet on the river.
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Old 07-11-2008, 07:03 PM
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If a hand goes to a showdown, all you need to do is check the hand history to see exactly what he/she had. Even though he/she mucked their hand, you can still see what they mucked, that is if Cake poker has this facility? I'm sure it has, I just haven't played there for cash so I'm not sure.

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Old 07-11-2008, 11:28 PM
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I pulled my hand history. For the record, he WAY WAY WAY WAYYYYYYYYYYY overplayed top pair with a weak kicker. Make an easy money note on him gang!

Hand #1558012199000422: Rome (Turbo 6-max) 12199
Seat 1: MRME4 (10.40 in chips)
Seat 2: The*** (5.14 in chips)
Seat 3: faza*** (4.08 in chips)
Seat 8: fark*** (3.08 in chips)
Seat 10: zero*** (8.93 in chips)
fark***: posts small blind $0.02
zero***: posts big blind $0.04
Dealt to MRME4 [ Kh Kc ]
MRME4: calls
The***: folds
faza***: folds
fark***: calls
zero***: checks
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ 4s 9d 8h ]
fark***: bets $0.12
zero***: folds
MRME4: raises to $0.24
fark***: calls
# # # TURN # # # [ 5c ]
fark***: checks
MRME4: bets $0.60
fark***: calls
&&& RIVER &&& [ Tc ]
fark***: checks
MRME4: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
MRME4: shows [ Kh Kc ] (Pair of Kings )
fark***: mucks
MRME4 wins $1.75 with Pair of Kings
fark***: mucks [ 6d, 9h ] (Pair)

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If a hand goes to a showdown, all you need to do is check the hand history to see exactly what he/she had. Even though he/she mucked their hand, you can still see what they mucked, that is if Cake poker has this facility? I'm sure it has, I just haven't played there for cash so I'm not sure.

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Old 07-12-2008, 02:35 PM
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Ok then, I didn't guess it!! LOL

Typical example of a weak hand you're forced to play, in this case he should have folded on the turn or even on the flop after your raise, he knew he was going to be beaten with that poor kicker, that's why I didn't think he had the pair
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MY guess is Ace Ten. This player looked like an idiot so he could have had anything but who knows. The all in on the river confuses me. Lol. You could have just checked hand history.
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First off, you're not going to see many good players at .02/.04. They won't necessarily be horrid, but anyone with more than half a clue is making more money playing higher. As for the hand, why would you credit him with a straight if he bets at the end? If the 10 made the straight, then he made his prior actions with QJ or J7, or he had 76 and made the straight on the turn. But how well do these holdings fit the action on the hand.

And the min-raise on the flop seems just as weak as limping pre-flop. If it's intended to win the pot, it's not enough to take him off anything other than air. If it's a pot sweetener, then it means you think your KK is ahead, and since there isn't very much reason to change that assessment on the turn or river, then you should probably bet at the end.
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Old 08-20-2008, 07:24 PM
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I would bet almost anything he proably had 7 10 or small pocket pair but it is really hard to say because even though you said you were playing aggressive, your play here would have screamed "BIG HAND" to me if i were there. but he may have also had 2 over cards waiting to hit. But that just my 2 cents.
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