River: (Pot: $313 .9)
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Hero shows a pair of Kings
ouweownerd shows two pair Threes and Twos
ouweownerd wins the pot ($305 .90) with two pair Threes and Twos
Hero is sitting out
SUMMARY:
Total pot $306 .40 | Rake $0.50 Board:
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Seat 1: ouweownerd (big blind) showed [ ] and won ($305.90) with two pair Threes and Twos
Seat 2: Hero (small blind) showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Kings
germanfalcon hasn't registered for Wass Gold yet - have you?
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How long have you played headsup with this guy? From your stacks there are 2 buyins each in play.
Flop is standard. At this point he could have any two cards.
Your Turn Raise afther his check is also standard. His check raise would ring my alarm bells. He puts 47 bucks in a 19.5 pot, thats a huge overbet.
Ask yourself do you have a read on your opponent. You say your opponent trys to steal, but does he do it with such a raise or does he put smaller raises here. A normal raise would be arround 20 bucks.
What does your opponent think about you? Does he respect you?
The board is really dangerous. There are two straight possiblities and flush draw could be out there.
Has he semibluffed flush draws before? How likely he has TwoPair or a set? Would he reraise a small Pocket preflop?
The Re-Reraise is very questionable. Why would you wanna risk all with just an overpair? Sure you cant allow him to run over you, but i sit worth this riskor should it be better to wait for a better spot?
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just my opinion.......
dont take this wrong...... i know its hard to play agains a loose cannon... i think your first and main mistake was your first bet....
you know hes loose and a chaser..... you only rased him 3 x bb and hes big blind ..... so its only $2 to see 60% of the cards.....in my thoughts put him to 10 to 15 bb ...... if he called that and the flop came as it was i would be all in ...... and hope to take the 10/15 bb
as it happend you let him in cheep once he cought part of the flop as a chaser he was not letting go ....
im sure this hurt you ..... it was bad play on his part .... and its horrible when players suck out on you .... but i would note his name and look for him again ....but 24 hrs later .... and get your money back... never chase after such a bad beat ..... poker can be so crule and unjust at times
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I've had a large variety of opinions over this hand.
The thing was that when i be like that and he had bottom pair he would call to showdown . I didnt want to lose him from the pot and he was consistently making moves like that with hands like top pair etc so i was pretty sure i had him beat
In response to german falcons post, he did not respect me. H thought i was a better player but his re-raises showed he did not respect my raises and we had been playing for around 2 hours at this point.
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First of all, sorry for the bad beat.
Second, your betting style just seems odd to me. If he is that looose, why not make him pay more to outdraw you? A 5-10 raise/bet each time would be more in order to me. Espescially with so many draws on the flop, I would have pushed a crazy player hard here- at least1xpot, maybe 2, just drive him out and take your money or force a heads up here while you are still in the lead.
Third, I just HATE losing a high pp to c-rap, sorry for you man, that should have been some free money.
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@andybee
Raising preflop to 10$-15$ is no option here. You want a caller and you want him to put his money in the pot.
@MRME
betting more would not accomplish to lay his hand down. Force a heads up is not necessary because its headsup.
@dreilly
I just rethought the hand from his side. Calling with suited connectors is okay in HU. He hits botton pair and thats also okay in heads up. On the turn he hits botton two pair with a draw heavy board and is OOP. To check if his two pair is good he puts in an overbet. If you have a straight you wouldnt reraise him here, because you are in position and let him bet the river again. The chance you have a set is minimal because he has two pair. So calling your reraise is logical because he can assume his two pair are good and he gets 2:1 for his call.
I think the better move would be to call him flat and make a bet on the river.
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There is so many things that we don't know about your history with the other guy here, it's tough to tell.
your raise pf, if you always raise to 3$ with any hand...like AK, JTs, 44, for me it's ok to make the same raise, you want money in the pot and don't want to tell him what kind of hand you have... But since he's LAG, i would raise to 4$ all of my hand... you want to make him pay for chasing OOP (out of position)
The flop is were the mystake is.
You should realize that he can put you in difficult situation and because of the two big stacks, his implied odds are just huge.....which mean your reverse implied odds are huge... 3$ into a 6$ pot mean nothing...bet at least 5$ here... That way, you'll let him know that you won't really fold for a raise and if he wants to bluff...this is going to cost him a lot... so EV- for him. And if he move in, you'll know your KK isn't good anymore.
On the turn, the check-raise could mean a lot of things, but here where the reverse implied odds plays against you... You bet on the flop isn't one that tell him you are strong, so he could try to bluff, you don't know and you have to pay.
By the way, the way he played this hand tell me he is a good LAG. try to avoid him if you don't know how to handle this kind of situation. He knew exactly what he was doing, and what you had in your hand... His overbet on the turn was pure genious...he knew you must have a big pair and he got want he wanted, you stack...
NB: try to note what kind of bluff he is doing....if he is doing a lot of cheap bluff on flop for let's say 10BB, you can be sure that when he puts a lot of money in the pot, like 47BB here, he has a strong hand 95% of the time...
the small bluff are just teasers so you can fall into the big trap. They pay themself almost because they are cheap (win 8BB, lose 10BB) but they pay 100BB and more when you fall for the real big hand...
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Always difficult
Its always difficult to play someone like this as it seems he is gonna call no mater what.
Probably best tobet high and hopedully take the blinds rather than give them a chance to see a reasonably cheap flopb ut sometimes dosent matter as they will call nomate what.
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That's a really tough one, on the one hand you want him to call so the pf raise can't be too big but it must be enough to build a pot so you can bet the flop aggressively. I really don't like the $3 bet on the flop and his bet after the turn should be ringing the 2 pair/set alarm, he could even have been calling with A4 thinking he had gutshot and overcard.
I think I would have bet a bit more pf up to 5xBB then a pot size bet on the flop to let him know you are strong. I can't really blame him for calling that flop bet it looks weak and could be a C bet holding AK, he really hits lucky on the turn and gets paid off. I've been in your position before and seen it turn out the same way and cursed myself for not folding to the big overbet so I can feel your pain there. It always sucks when you get most of your money in when you're behind after starting so far ahead
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That's a real bad hand, but I would have stopped a little more when this guy reraises to $47, having only one pair is not really worth that call even with kings. I would also have raised to $10-$15 preflop having 150+ stack to prevent having callers with low hands (also raise the flop as no ace shows up). Anyway good luck to you next time.
Any Ideas how i should have played this differently?
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