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Old 02-18-2009, 04:28 PM
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Default Good or bad fold here?

I think that the villain had a floped set and was a good fold. Could be also JK (or a three street bluff, less likely), but the aggresive way he bet I still think he had ducks.

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Old 02-18-2009, 07:31 PM
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Well, tough hand.

Your opponent has position on you ~ nice flop. Your opponent could easily had KQ or K10 but also could have limped with 22.

It all depends on how he played before
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Old 02-18-2009, 11:19 PM
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the only realistic hand he can have that beats you is 222, im heavily discounting JJ/KK here.

His line does look very strong, but when you pick up a FD along with your top two on the turn i'd checkraise and call a shove (you're not very deep anyways) and chalk it up as a cooler if he shows me bottom set. He could very well have the same hand as you and you'd be freerolling the river

as played, i think river is probably a good fold but i'd be willing to get my chips in before that imo

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Old 02-18-2009, 11:51 PM
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the only realistic hand he can have that beats you is 222, im heavily discounting JJ/KK here.

His line does look very strong, but when you pick up a FD along with your top two on the turn i'd checkraise and call a shove (you're not very deep anyways) and chalk it up as a cooler if he shows me bottom set. He could very well have the same hand as you and you'd be freerolling the river
I agree ..., I was thinking that the best move in the turn was checkraise (and of course call a shove). Top two and the second nuts flush draw there justified that move.
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:15 AM
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I like how you post those hands using that program ~ spiffy.

And I think it was a good fold. Only because you were unsure & something didn't feel right. Trusting in those feelings is what allows you to have your game.

I personally think he had the ducks. But even if you havd him beat it didn't feel right to you so I think mentally you made the best choice for you at the time.
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Well that is a realy tough had good fold or bad hard to say.He played it strong after the flop sometimes this is a sign of weakness but its hard to say.If I was playing and on the turn caught a flush draw along with my top two pair I would off been all in right there but that might off meant I just lost all my money because its very possible that the other player slow played pocket jj or kk or just limped in with 22.He could off just been bluffing the whole time also.
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Old 02-19-2009, 03:08 PM
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Thanks Dori for your answer.


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Well that is a realy tough had good fold or bad hard to say.He played it strong after the flop sometimes this is a sign of weakness but its hard to say.If I was playing and on the turn caught a flush draw along with my top two pair I would off been all in right there but that might off meant I just lost all my money because its very possible that the other player slow played pocket jj or kk or just limped in with 22.He could off just been bluffing the whole time also.
mmm, could be a slow play of KK if he was in UTG or UTG+1, waiting a raise preflop. But a slow play from BTN is almost a suicide (and an invitation to the blinds to join to the limper show to see a cheap flop). But.. who really knows.
I don't have enough hands of the villain to know if he is a solid player or not.
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I do agree with whats been said as a whole... it was a tough one to let go at that flop. Yes it was a slight possibilty that he was holding 22 and had flopped set.. think there was also possibilty that the villain could have been raising for value on an open ended straight draw too.. he could have had Q10 and just hoping to hit... 5th street bet i may have been tempted to call in yr situation as well... His bet to me seemed like he didnt want you to call or may have played it like that to get you to think that he was weak and possibly bluffing

Either way if i was in yr spot i may have called with such a strong flop
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You have been just checking all along , Too passive IMO, repping a draw. When the river blanks, he puts in <1/2 pot as a value bet?
I am raising Pre. Then his possible raise might alert me to AK, KK JJ?? and a call to poss lower pair or ordinary hand Ax ss, AQ AJ etc. I raise bigger on the flop to eliminate (?) straight draws. I am shoving the turn.
I am also probably losing my stack to 22, but hey!
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I THINK THE PLAYER HAD BIG SLICK A-K, I BELIEVE YOU FOLDED THE BEST HAND.
YOU LET THE OTHER PLAYER CONTROL THE HAND WITH HIS BETS, AND YOU CALLING.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEEN YOU PUSH A BET AT HIM AND SEE REACTION.
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