What is a bad beat ?

[fritzson]

A bad beat for me is when I am the favour all the way from pre-flop to turn... and river turn my 98% win to 0%! Kaaaaboommm! *PUNCH*

[nightmoves44]

At a poke room with a badbeat jackpot,a badbeat is having 4 eights or higher,and getting beat with a larger hand.Thats the official rule.

[stigd]

Interesting subject - might find some answers in my signature link below "How to avoid a bad beat".
BUT, bacially most of what players call a bad beat is actually "bad play" instead - failing to bet enough along the way to get rags away... just because one gets GREEDY.
- or failing to analyze what could kill your hand and bet properly to give the opponent bad pot-odds.
See - whats important (on the long term) is to keep offering bad pot-odds unless you hold the absolut NUT hand with the cards on the board.... and also remembering that an opponent with a ton of chips or very low stacked will call or go all in even with bad pot odds - and all in before the river is shown is a gamble that allows anything to happen.

The video Welshy posted is a good example on someone getting greedy, slowplaying trip A - EVEN WITH an obvious flush draw on the board... Had he bet the turn card properly to protect his trips - the opponent would have folded.
- so in my mind he created the bad beat him self. I know he then hit quads on the river - but that where not what he expected (to hit the one outer I mean)... Had the river been any other diamond - what would he have done then?
Anyway - sick it is whenever someone hits a one or two outer on the river...

[Bambinos]

Originally Posted by stigd

Had he bet the turn card properly to protect his trips - the opponent would have folded.

The guy had a straight on the turn he wouldn't have folded lol...
He was completely trapped

[xxxZero7xxx]

Originally Posted by stigd

The video Welshy posted is a good example on someone getting greedy, slowplaying trip A - EVEN WITH an obvious flush draw on the board... Had he bet the turn card properly to protect his trips - the opponent would have folded...

"The video Welshy posted..." --- Give a newbie some credit

"Had he bet the turn card properly...." --- By the turn, his fate was sealed, but if he had bet the flop properly the hand would have been over.

See Ya On The Felt !

[Bambinos]

Originally Posted by xxxZero7xxx

"The video Welshy posted..." --- Give a newbie some credit

"Had he bet the turn card properly...." --- By the turn, his fate was sealed, but if he had bet the flop properly the hand would have been over.

See Ya On The Felt !

Who said he didn't bet the flop nor the turn... In my opinion, he couldn't avoid it that just happens...

[xxxZero7xxx]

Originally Posted by Bambinos

Who said he didn't bet the flop nor the turn... In my opinion, he couldn't avoid it that just happens...

Here's how the hand went according to Cardplayer.com:

"On a flop of AQ9 both Moto Mabuchi and Justin Phillips checked. The turn was the 10and Mabuchi bet 1,600. Phillips decided to just call and the river was the A. Mabuchi bet 2,500 and Phillips raised to 8,500. It didn’t take long for Mabuchi to move in and Phillips instantly called. Mabuchi proudly turned over his AA for what he thought was the winning hand, but Phillips revealed his KJ for the royal, sending Mabuchi out of the tournament with quite the cooler story."

So I stand by my comment. If he had bet the flop properly....hell, if he had bet the flop at all...then the hand probably would have been over. I can't see Phillips calling a big bet there with only an inside draw. Mabuchi got greedy and paid for it. So stigd was right .. Mabuchi created his own bad beat.

See Ya On The Felt !

[stigd]

Originally Posted by xxxZero7xxx

So I stand by my comment. If he had bet the flop properly....hell, if he had bet the flop at all...then the hand probably would have been over. I can't see Phillips calling a big bet there with only an inside draw. Mabuchi got greedy and paid for it. So stigd was right .. Mabuchi created his own bad beat.

See Ya On The Felt !

Ty mate... and I bet ya that this is covering like 90% of all "Bad Beats" (Not in freerolls and very low buyin games).
- but it WHERE something difficult not to get greedy on - but 10 seconds of analyze of the flop, SHOULD have shouted ALARM... Possible draw to a straight. Thing to do there is to find out just how expensive it should be for the opponent to draw this card
- but ffs - why give it away for free???

[dfrick]

i would say 90%